Talk:Machine Lifeform (5e Race)
I created this race based off of Adam and Eve from Nier: Automata. I know it probably isn't balanced, but i have attempted to balance certain traits *cough cough* Self-repair, Network Bound *cough cough* while doing my best to remain faithful to the source material. I also partially based my work off of the Machine Lifeform, Adam (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Machine_Lifeform,_Adam_(5e_Creature)) page. I hope you all enjoy it and I apologize for any errors. If you have any suggestions, please consult me before making edits. --Amalgamation (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2020 (MST)
- Yeah, self repair is ridiculous. An average of 5 hit points every turn(a constitution of 16, wholly possible through point buy) is very high, even if it doesn't scale. In an hour(600 rounds), you regain 3000 hit points. The only other regen like this is champion fighter's capstone, and it only works under half health. You get it at level 1. --SwankyPants (talk) 17:36, 24 November 2020 (MST)
I agree, consider possibly changing it to something similar, keeping the idea that they are hard to kill. Maybe over a short rest, you regain additional hit points equal to your proficiency bonus? That way it scales and makes more sense as a "doing some mild self-repair" over an hour. Also, I don't know what caustic poison is, and immunity to a damage type is pretty strong, consider resistance to poison damage? MoDuckyMo (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2020 (MST)
- I concur with the above balance issues. Eve and Adam are very much made to be monsters more so than a race. If you absolutely must have this be a player race for some reason, consult how strong monsters have to be nerfed to create a player race. Compare a marilith and the Marilith (5e Race), for example, or some of the monstrous races of Volo's. If this is not meant to be balanced, then it does not really belong in the Main space and would be better moved to a user page.--Yanied (talk) 18:37, 24 November 2020 (MST)
Thanks for all the input. I've made some changes to Self-repair. I fully intend this to be a balanced an playable race and I'm really grateful for the advice. Something I'm confused about though. I thought that Network Bound would get more blowback even with my adjustments. Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining, but some clarification on why would be nice
--Amalgamation (talk) 09:52, 25 November 2020 (MST)
- To be honest, the unconditional round based healing is important enough to focus on solely. I’ve seen too many races with this type of thing, none seem to consider the potential for stupid levels of healing, because apparently rounds stop when you leave combat.
- Anyways, I see that was a bit of a mistake. This is a lot like relentless endurance(half-orc), just a bit late, and happens several times. I’d recommend you model the feature off of that instead. --SwankyPants (talk) 11:03, 25 November 2020 (MST)
So I've made changes to Network Bound, but I'm still concerned about balance. I have a small fear that it might be broken, thematically speaking. It sorta doesn't have a good reason to disconnect from the Network. I made it so it only gives a damage resistance to psychic, but to get it, you basically can never be brought back to life. If you have any suggestions on how to fix this while still being balanced, please let me know
--Amalgamation (talk) 11:29, 25 November 2020 (MST)
- Care to elaborate on “never being brought back to life”? By all means, any revival spell should be able to effect you, right?--SwankyPants (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2020 (MST)
I specified in the Artificial Life Trait that Machine Lifeforms can only be revived via Network Bound. After changing Network Bound, they can only be revived by Direct intervention of the Network. This is the main reason I made Network Bound like I did --Amalgamation (talk) 11:55, 25 November 2020 (MST)
I added the disclaimer thingy --Amalgamation (talk) 14:37, 25 November 2020 (MST)
- Hm, I don’t quite know what to think about that. Being unable to get revived by any other means definitely has no real precident, so I don’t know what to compare it to at all. While strong, it is still a hell of a downside.
- Also, your wording here kinda misses that. I’d throw in a “you cannot be revived by any means other than this feature” in Network Bound. Sorry about the uncertainty but I honestly don’t know what to think. --SwankyPants (talk) 11:06, 26 November 2020 (MST)
- Nevermind in the revive bit, I am apparently incredibly blind.--SwankyPants (talk) 11:10, 26 November 2020 (MST)
Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate your continued input on this page. --Amalgamation (talk) 09:07, 27 November 2020 (MST)
It's been awhile, but now that I'm back, I wanted to say thanks to whoever put up the thingies on the page. Those make it really easy to understand what needs fixing --Amalgamation (talk) 12:10, 27 December 2020 (MST)